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"RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long run?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:50:36

Benson,Very come up put and your strategy sounds spot on. What I evaluate has become clear is that you are differentiating annotations on your dtos/valueobjects and on your service methods. That was not clear to me before. I'll accept 100% on thedtos. Let me go into a little more detail on my believe on annotations on services so it might helpbolster an argument for the availability of an annotationless method of getting a "web service"from a (hopefully) pojo service. (Quotes explained later.)Like you we have a ton of label that is shared. Many domain/value/dto objects. Many services. And some large number of apps (30+?). Perhaps we are victims of our own success. The "services"(business functionality) are shared by numerous apps. Some web apps some web services. Differentapps and different web services use different parts of some shared services. cover and butterstuff. Finally we have a lot of code we wish to expose pretty much as is as web services and we'llbe writing *a bunch* of new code that ordain be used by both a web app (or two or thre..) andexposed as web service. Access control will be handled by our infrastructure and frameworks(somehow accreted onto/into the web services). I put quotes on "web service" above becauseI anticipate in the inspect of a web service being written by us accessed by a client written by us,which is one of our use cases you would not be clean/wsdl etc. You just need to make "webservices" as easily and quickly as possible. So here are some issues:- Different web service exposures of a service. Say you have a java class acting as a function. We already subject such a service with multipleweb service apis (XML over http). In app one it has schema one and the schema is dictatedto us. In app two it has schema two - we create the schema. In app three its restful. (Rightnow this is handled in a forge above the service where we write a JibX mapping from Java toxml - or otherwise munge into rest. It's not soap yet interestingly enough.) If the defaultway to turn a Java class into a SOAP ws is to annotate the service class including WebParamsto force parameter names how do you command the fact you need two different incarnations ofthe web service? Subclass and annotate twice? Adapter copy and annotate twice?- Messy apis and annotations = unreadableMore of a sylistic air. We have a few apis that are big in the sense of a few too many argumentsto methods and a few too many methods. We could possibly write them but who has measure. Whenyou annotate those including WebParams it iss essentially unreadable. Only IMHO of course,but I think it's a real air. I think this is a fundamental problem with annotations. Thecode can get messy really fast.- Embedding deployment/find methods into your serviceSo. FooIf java and FooImpl java are a service. Say a POJO. In app one its locally accessed. In app two it's accessed remotely with a custom protocol. In app three its RMI. In app fourit needs to be exposed as a web function. If the default way to get Foo to be a web serviceis to compose the class what about those contexts in which it is not a web function? Theannotations can be ignored if they are not processed by apt/wsgen/whatever. You'd have toget your build to experience when and where not to web service-ize Foo so I know this can be worked-around,but again this is a problem with annotations. You are declaring a class to be a web service,which in fact should be context-dependant. Which is part of a bigger problem - annotationare often used to put what *should be* config - external config- into code. Which leads meto:- DepojoizationTo go with your noting classpath dependancies for snailed classes what ever happened to themovement to pojos? We are going to Spring for Pojo services and then we turn around and annotatea categorise to make it a web function. You import the annotations you depend on JAX-WS for example,and that is no longer a pojo déjŕ vu EJB all over again. ;-)If I'm way off locate let me know. I've not yet really tried to create by mental act the our new frameworkyet so the issues might not be as vexing as I was thinking. BrianAnd on the web services align -->-----Original Message------->From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bim2007@basistech com] -->Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 6:02 PM-->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long run?-->-->I think this is a valid discussion on the enumerate and in fact -->I wish that other users chime in.-->-->My logic goes like this: I/we have a ton of code that is -->shared between the web function and other uses. So long as we -->and our customers are using Java 1.5 we don't want to -->lumber them with classpath noise to support annotations that -->we might add only to allow the classes in the shared code to -->be parts of web service protocols.-->-->Then we go to actually build a web service that deploys -->some of this code. We don't try to use web services as a -->sort of RMI for some existing categorise or interface. We create by mental act -->them from adjoin. That puts us somewhere in the middle of a -->spectrum from Glen's arguments for contract-first on the one -->hand and deploying any-old-POJO as a service on the other.-->-->I wasn't thinking all that clearly when I wrote my previous -->message. If indeed you have POJO's floating around that -->you'd like to remote without encrusting them with -->annotations then sure enough you've got an application -->for Aegis's ability to 'annotate' methods with XML files.-->And that's a reason for us to press out some issues with some -->of that functionality.-->-->--benson-->-->-->> -----Original Message------->> From: Brian. Horblit@thomson com [mailto:Brian. Horblit@thomson com]-->> Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 7:54 PM-->> To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long run?-->> -->> -->> Benson,-->> -->> I'm not sure I understand your last point about unrelated -->to methods.-->Do-->> you be me to take this off the mailing enumerate and tell you at your -->> personal email a bit more about my annotation issues with -->JAX-WS? I'm-->a-->> bit reluctant to clog the enumerate with a this off-topic -->discussion (but I -->> might learn something that mitigates my feelings about -->annotations).-->> -->> Brian-->> -->> -->-----Original Message------->> -->From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bim2007@basistech com]-->> -->Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 4:33 PM-->> -->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis copy to be supported in the long run?-->> -->-->> -->Your views of mollusks are about the same as exploit. We -->used Aegis to -->> -->forbid classpath dependencies in shared code until very -->recently. At -->> -->which point I sadly decided that I could live with the fail. -->> -->unannotated behavior of JAXB at least until I could -->back up remove a -->> -->few more bugs from Aegis.-->> -->-->> -->An important distinction: I'm very unperturbed by JAX-WS since -->> -->those objects are completely specific to the web service and -->> -->snails don't bother me on them. Aegis' appealed to me as -->> -->de-snailing the ordinary objects that we were shipping -->to and fro. -->> -->Thus my inclination to pay a lot more time on Aegis -->issues that -->> -->are unrelated to methods.-->> -->-->> -->> -----Original Message------->> -->> From: Brian. Horblit@thomson com-->[mailto:Brian. Horblit@thomson com]-->> -->> Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 4:35 PM-->> -->> To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in -->the desire run?-->> -->>-->> -->>-->> -->> Not dropping anything sounds good to me.-->> -->>-->> -->> While I've used JAXB and JibX my buddy over here is -->the one who-->> -->looked-->> -->> at Aegis a while back when we first checked out Xfire and he-->liked-->> -->what-->> -->> he saw. He is on vacation so I can't give you details on-->> -->that one at-->> -->> this measure. Well other than annotations since you asked,-->> -->which from-->> -->now-->> -->> on I ordain refer to as snails.-->> -->>-->> -->> There are a some of us who are "not fond" of them. The-->> -->"not fondness",-->> -->> however is "not occasional." There are a number of-->> -->reasons for that,-->> -->> including the depojoisation (I just made that up) of pojos.-->> -->>-->> -->> What if the objects are used in multiple contexts like-->> -->ours are? Do-->> -->you-->> -->> annotate it twice? Aegis with its nice external mapping-->> -->files works.-->> -->We-->> -->> undergo the same issues with snailing web service endpoints.-->> -->Who says you-->> -->> undergo only have one WS incarnation of a java function?-->> -->>-->> -->> I have other issues with snailing too.-->> -->>-->> -->> I'll make a note to get the details on Aegis from my buddy-->> -->whan he is-->> -->> back and get you some more details if there are any.-->> -->>-->> -->> Brian-->> -->>-->> -->> -->-----Original Message------->> -->> -->From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bim2007@basistech com]-->> -->> -->Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 11:45 AM-->> -->> -->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> -->Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long-->run?-->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->I'm unaware of any plan to displace anything.-->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->Some parts of Aegis however get more attention than-->> -->others. The-->> -->> -->parts of Aegis that seem pretty hard to distinguish-->> -->from JAXB in-->> -->> -->particular.-->> -->> -->Could you comment on why you prefer Aegis to JAXB? Do-->> -->you share my-->> -->> -->occasional dislike of snails in your code (@)?-->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -----Original Message------->> -->> -->> From: Brian. Horblit@thomson com-->> -->[mailto:Brian. Horblit@thomson com]-->> -->> -->> Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 1:01 PM-->> -->> -->> To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> -->> Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in-->> -->the long run?-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Glen,-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> First thanks for the response.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> But next I can't quite resist pointing out that you-->> -->didn't really-->> -->> -->answer-->> -->> -->> my question ;-)-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Your points on security are well taken! Our little-->> -->conjoin of the-->> -->> -->business-->> -->> -->> does not command HIPAA data at the moment. (I guess you-->> -->> -->noticed the-->> -->> -->> "Healthcare" move of my sig!) We broach with-->> -->non-patient-specific-->> -->> -->> reference data although one never knows what -->will come on-->> -->> -->down the-->> -->> -->> lie.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> We do have strict security requirements however. I had-->> -->> -->typed up much-->> -->> -->of-->> -->> -->> a detailed response explaining our situation but-->> -->realized this-->> -->is-->> -->> -->> likely not the right forum for that. Perhaps you can-->> -->trust for-->> -->the-->> -->> -->sake-->> -->> -->> of argument that I understand the security issues-->> -->> -->involved and that-->> -->> -->we-->> -->> -->> already have extensive security infrastructure that will-->> -->> -->be baked into-->> -->> -->> whatever toolkit we choose (or into which we'll -->bake a new-->> -->> -->toolkit),-->> -->> -->> along with adding support for all the new fun-->> -->> -->WS-EtcEtcEtc stuff. The-->> -->> -->> same goes for lots of other things one needs for a-->> -->real system:-->> -->> -->logging,-->> -->> -->> monitoring management updates configuration pizza-->> -->> -->delivery etc.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> There are some cases where indeed. "shoving a bunch of-->> -->> -->unannotated-->> -->> -->> classes to CXF" ordain be the quickest way to get -->things done-->--->> -->given-->> -->> -->that-->> -->> -->> the simple copy has the extension/integration points we-->> -->> -->be. Which-->> -->> -->is-->> -->> -->> something I still need to check out. But all -->that would be-->> -->> -->moot if the-->> -->> -->> simple copy is not long for this world.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Does this help?-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Thanks again!-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Brian-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> P. S. Oh yeah and there will definitively be-->> -->situations where the-->> -->> -->simple-->> -->> -->> model is not adequate.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->-----Original Message------->> -->> -->> -->From: Glen Mazza [mailto:glen mazza@verizon net]-->> -->> -->> -->Sent: Monday. October 29. 2007 7:05 PM-->> -->> -->> -->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> -->> -->Subject: Re: Simple/Aegis copy to be supported inthe-->long-->> -->run?-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Brian are you handling HIPAA data? Then I would-->> -->> -->forget about the-->> -->> -->> -->simple frontend. It's not intended for that.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->For good rigorous coding of Privacy Act/HIPAA data,-->> -->> -->you should be-->> -->> -->> -->starting with WSDL-first development.[1][2] That will-->> -->> -->give you the-->> -->> -->> -->needed experience later when you need to implement-->> -->> -->security. Don't-->> -->> -->> -->want to start with WSDL though?-->> -->> -->> -->OK then do JAX-WS Java-first with annotations. It-->> -->> -->really isn't-->> -->> -->> -->that much harder than the simple frontend.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Doing either of the above also helps portability--you-->> -->> -->can switch-->> -->> -->> -->much more quickly to Metro (or Axis2 to an extent)if-->> -->> -->you need to-->> -->> -->> -->for whatever reason.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->But just shoving a bunch of unannotated classes toCXF-->> -->> -->and hoping-->> -->> -->> -->it will choose the alter methods to subject and the-->> -->> -->right ones not-->> -->> -->> -->to does not appear very obtain. I don't be to-->> -->tell you that.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Regards,-->> -->> -->> -->Glen-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->[1] http://www jroller com/gmazza/date/20071019-->> -->> -->> -->[2] http://www javapassion com/handsonlabs/wswsdl/-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Am Montag den 29.10.2007. 15:25 -0600 schrieb-->> -->> -->> -->Brian. Horblit@thomson com:-->> -->> -->> -->> Hi,-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> I'm taking a look at web function frameworks. I've-->played-->> -->> -->> -->with Sun's-->> -->> -->> -->> impl of JAX-WS. I've played with (and rejected)-->> -->Axis2. I'm-->> -->> -->> -->about to-->> -->> -->> -->> play with CFX. I've browsed through the -->docs but had a-->> -->> -->> -->question that-->> -->> -->> -->> I could not find explicitly discussed. Is -->the "simple"-->> -->> -->> -->copy here to stay?-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Perhaps my question is addressed somewhere andI've-->just-->> -->> -->> -->blown past it.-->> -->> -->> -->> Much of the documentation seems to center aroundthe-->> -->> -->> -->JAX-WS front end-->> -->> -->> -->> and relatively little is written about the -->simple front-->> -->> -->> -->end. Perhaps-->> -->> -->> -->> because it is so.. simple? ;-) One cerebrate I am-->> -->interested-->> -->> -->> -->in CFX is-->> -->> -->> -->> because of the simple model it supports. We doneed-->> -->> -->to support-->> -->> -->> -->> standards but in some cases we would desire to-->> -->turn existing-->> -->> -->> -->> non-trivial code into web services as easily as-->possible.-->> -->> -->> -->Not having-->> -->> -->> -->> to annotate would be a good thing for a couple-->> -->of reasons.-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> If we were interested in CFX in part because of-->> -->the simple-->> -->> -->> -->model are-->> -->> -->> -->> we "safe" going with CFX? In other words arethe-->simple-->> -->> -->> -->model and the-->> -->> -->> -->> Aegis data binding (which we liked when we-->> -->looked into it)-->> -->> -->> -->going to be-->> -->> -->> -->> around for the long haul or will CFX evolve-->> -->into a (good)-->> -->> -->> -->JAX-WS impl-->> -->> -->> -->> while dropping support for simple/Aegis?-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Thanks for consideration of my "newbie" question!-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Brian-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Brian D. Horblit-->> -->> -->> -->> Senior Principal Engineer Thomson Healthcare-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->-->> -->-->

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"RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long run?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:50:35

Benson,Very come up put and your strategy sounds sight on. What I think has become clear is that you are differentiating annotations on your dtos/valueobjects and on your service methods. That was not alter to me before. I'll agree 100% on thedtos. Let me go into a little more dilate on my view on annotations on services so it might helpbolster an argument for the availability of an annotationless method of getting a "web function"from a (hopefully) pojo service. (Quotes explained later.)Like you we undergo a ton of code that is shared. Many domain/value/dto objects. Many services. And some large number of apps (30+?). Perhaps we are victims of our own success. The "services"(business functionality) are shared by numerous apps. Some web apps some web services. Differentapps and different web services use different parts of some shared services. Bread and butterstuff. Finally we undergo a lot of code we wish to subject pretty much as is as web services and we'llbe writing *a bunch* of new code that will be used by both a web app (or two or thre..) andexposed as web service. Access hold back ordain be handled by our infrastructure and frameworks(somehow accreted onto/into the web services). I put quotes on "web service" above becauseI anticipate in the case of a web service being written by us accessed by a client written by us,which is one of our use cases you would not need soap/wsdl etc. You just be to alter "webservices" as easily and quickly as possible. So here are some issues:- Different web service exposures of a service. Say you undergo a java class acting as a service. We already expose such a function with multipleweb service apis (XML over http). In app one it has schema one and the schema is dictatedto us. In app two it has schema two - we create the schema. In app three its restful. (Rightnow this is handled in a forge above the service where we create verbally a JibX mapping from Java toxml - or otherwise munge into rest. It's not soap yet interestingly enough.) If the defaultway to turn a Java class into a SOAP ws is to compose the function class including WebParamsto compel parameter names how do you handle the fact you need two different incarnations ofthe web service? Subclass and annotate twice? Adapter pattern and annotate twice?- Messy apis and annotations = unreadableMore of a sylistic air. We have a few apis that are big in the sense of a few too many argumentsto methods and a few too many methods. We could possibly rewrite them but who has time. Whenyou compose those including WebParams it iss essentially unreadable. Only IMHO of course,but I evaluate it's a real issue. I think this is a fundamental problem with annotations. Thecode can get messy really fast.- Embedding deployment/find methods into your serviceSo. FooIf java and FooImpl java are a service. Say a POJO. In app one its locally accessed. In app two it's accessed remotely with a custom protocol. In app three its RMI. In app fourit needs to be exposed as a web service. If the default way to get Foo to be a web serviceis to annotate the class what about those contexts in which it is not a web service? Theannotations can be ignored if they are not processed by apt/wsgen/whatever. You'd have toget your build to experience when and where not to web service-ize Foo so I experience this can be worked-around,but again this is a problem with annotations. You are declaring a class to be a web service,which in fact should be context-dependant. Which is move of a bigger problem - annotationare often used to put what *should be* config - external config- into code. Which leads meto:- DepojoizationTo go with your noting classpath dependancies for snailed classes what ever happened to themovement to pojos? We are going to move for Pojo services and then we turn around and annotatea categorise to make it a web service. You merchandise the annotations you depend on JAX-WS for example,and that is no longer a pojo déjŕ vu EJB all over again. ;-)If I'm way off base let me know. I've not yet really tried to design the our new frameworkyet so the issues might not be as vexing as I was thinking. BrianAnd on the web services side -->-----Original Message------->From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bim2007@basistech com] -->Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 6:02 PM-->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long run?-->-->I evaluate this is a valid discussion on the list and in fact -->I wish that other users chime in.-->-->My logic goes like this: I/we undergo a ton of code that is -->shared between the web service and other uses. So desire as we -->and our customers are using Java 1.5 we don't want to -->walk them with classpath go to support annotations that -->we might add only to allow the classes in the shared code to -->be parts of web service protocols.-->-->Then we go to actually build a web function that deploys -->some of this label. We don't try to use web services as a -->sort of RMI for some existing categorise or interface. We create by mental act -->them from scratch. That puts us somewhere in the middle of a -->spectrum from Glen's arguments for contract-first on the one -->hand and deploying any-old-POJO as a function on the other.-->-->I wasn't thinking all that clearly when I wrote my previous -->message. If indeed you have POJO's floating around that -->you'd like to remote without encrusting them with -->annotations then sure enough you've got an application -->for Aegis's ability to 'annotate' methods with XML files.-->And that's a reason for us to iron out some issues with some -->of that functionality.-->-->--benson-->-->-->> -----Original Message------->> From: Brian. Horblit@thomson com [mailto:Brian. Horblit@thomson com]-->> Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 7:54 PM-->> To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis copy to be supported in the long run?-->> -->> -->> Benson,-->> -->> I'm not sure I understand your last point about unrelated -->to methods.-->Do-->> you want me to act this off the mailing list and tell you at your -->> personal email a bit more about my annotation issues with -->JAX-WS? I'm-->a-->> bit reluctant to clog the list with a this off-topic -->discussion (but I -->> might learn something that mitigates my feelings about -->annotations).-->> -->> Brian-->> -->> -->-----Original Message------->> -->From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bim2007@basistech com]-->> -->Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 4:33 PM-->> -->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the desire run?-->> -->-->> -->Your views of mollusks are about the same as mine. We -->used Aegis to -->> -->forbid classpath dependencies in shared code until very -->recently. At -->> -->which inform I sadly decided that I could live with the fail. -->> -->unannotated behavior of JAXB at least until I could -->help remove a -->> -->few more bugs from Aegis.-->> -->-->> -->An important distinction: I'm very unperturbed by JAX-WS since -->> -->those objects are completely specific to the web service and -->> -->snails don't reach me on them. Aegis' appealed to me as -->> -->de-snailing the ordinary objects that we were shipping -->to and fro. -->> -->Thus my inclination to spend a lot more time on Aegis -->issues that -->> -->are unrelated to methods.-->> -->-->> -->> -----Original Message------->> -->> From: Brian. Horblit@thomson com-->[mailto:Brian. Horblit@thomson com]-->> -->> Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 4:35 PM-->> -->> To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in -->the desire run?-->> -->>-->> -->>-->> -->> Not dropping anything sounds good to me.-->> -->>-->> -->> While I've used JAXB and JibX my buddy over here is -->the one who-->> -->looked-->> -->> at Aegis a while back when we first checked out Xfire and he-->liked-->> -->what-->> -->> he saw. He is on vacation so I can't give you details on-->> -->that one at-->> -->> this measure. Well other than annotations since you asked,-->> -->which from-->> -->now-->> -->> on I will refer to as snails.-->> -->>-->> -->> There are a some of us who are "not fond" of them. The-->> -->"not fondness",-->> -->> however is "not occasional." There are a number of-->> -->reasons for that,-->> -->> including the depojoisation (I just made that up) of pojos.-->> -->>-->> -->> What if the objects are used in multiple contexts like-->> -->ours are? Do-->> -->you-->> -->> annotate it twice? Aegis with its nice external mapping-->> -->files works.-->> -->We-->> -->> undergo the same issues with snailing web service endpoints.-->> -->Who says you-->> -->> undergo only undergo one WS incarnation of a java service?-->> -->>-->> -->> I undergo other issues with snailing too.-->> -->>-->> -->> I'll make a say to get the details on Aegis from my buddy-->> -->whan he is-->> -->> back and get you some more details if there are any.-->> -->>-->> -->> Brian-->> -->>-->> -->> -->-----Original Message------->> -->> -->From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bim2007@basistech com]-->> -->> -->Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 11:45 AM-->> -->> -->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> -->Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in the long-->run?-->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->I'm unaware of any intend to displace anything.-->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->Some parts of Aegis however get more attention than-->> -->others. The-->> -->> -->parts of Aegis that seem pretty hard to distinguish-->> -->from JAXB in-->> -->> -->particular.-->> -->> -->Could you comment on why you prefer Aegis to JAXB? Do-->> -->you share my-->> -->> -->occasional dislike of snails in your code (@)?-->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -----Original Message------->> -->> -->> From: Brian. Horblit@thomson com-->> -->[mailto:Brian. Horblit@thomson com]-->> -->> -->> Sent: Tuesday. October 30. 2007 1:01 PM-->> -->> -->> To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> -->> Subject: RE: Simple/Aegis model to be supported in-->> -->the long run?-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Glen,-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> First thanks for the response.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> But next I can't quite resist pointing out that you-->> -->didn't really-->> -->> -->answer-->> -->> -->> my challenge ;-)-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Your points on security are well taken! Our little-->> -->conjoin of the-->> -->> -->business-->> -->> -->> does not command HIPAA data at the moment. (I guess you-->> -->> -->noticed the-->> -->> -->> "Healthcare" move of my sig!) We deal with-->> -->non-patient-specific-->> -->> -->> reference data although one never knows what -->will go on-->> -->> -->drink the-->> -->> -->> line.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> We do have strict security requirements however. I had-->> -->> -->typed up much-->> -->> -->of-->> -->> -->> a detailed response explaining our situation but-->> -->realized this-->> -->is-->> -->> -->> likely not the right forum for that. Perhaps you can-->> -->trust for-->> -->the-->> -->> -->sake-->> -->> -->> of argument that I understand the security issues-->> -->> -->involved and that-->> -->> -->we-->> -->> -->> already undergo extensive security infrastructure that will-->> -->> -->be baked into-->> -->> -->> whatever toolkit we choose (or into which we'll -->bake a new-->> -->> -->toolkit),-->> -->> -->> along with adding give for all the new fun-->> -->> -->WS-EtcEtcEtc cram. The-->> -->> -->> same goes for lots of other things one needs for a-->> -->real system:-->> -->> -->logging,-->> -->> -->> monitoring management updates configuration pizza-->> -->> -->delivery etc.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> There are some cases where indeed. "shoving a clump of-->> -->> -->unannotated-->> -->> -->> classes to CXF" ordain be the quickest way to get -->things done-->--->> -->given-->> -->> -->that-->> -->> -->> the simple model has the extension/integration points we-->> -->> -->be. Which-->> -->> -->is-->> -->> -->> something I comfort be to check out. But all -->that would be-->> -->> -->moot if the-->> -->> -->> simple model is not desire for this world.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Does this help?-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Thanks again!-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> Brian-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> P. S. Oh yeah and there will definitively be-->> -->situations where the-->> -->> -->simple-->> -->> -->> model is not adequate.-->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->-----Original Message------->> -->> -->> -->From: Glen Mazza [mailto:glen mazza@verizon net]-->> -->> -->> -->Sent: Monday. October 29. 2007 7:05 PM-->> -->> -->> -->To: cxf-user@incubator apache org-->> -->> -->> -->Subject: Re: Simple/Aegis model to be supported inthe-->long-->> -->run?-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Brian are you handling HIPAA data? Then I would-->> -->> -->drop about the-->> -->> -->> -->simple frontend. It's not intended for that.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->For good rigorous coding of Privacy Act/HIPAA data,-->> -->> -->you should be-->> -->> -->> -->starting with WSDL-first development.[1][2] That will-->> -->> -->give you the-->> -->> -->> -->needed experience later when you need to implement-->> -->> -->security. Don't-->> -->> -->> -->be to start with WSDL though?-->> -->> -->> -->OK then do JAX-WS Java-first with annotations. It-->> -->> -->really isn't-->> -->> -->> -->that much harder than the simple frontend.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Doing either of the above also helps portability--you-->> -->> -->can switch-->> -->> -->> -->much more quickly to Metro (or Axis2 to an extent)if-->> -->> -->you be to-->> -->> -->> -->for whatever reason.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->But just shoving a bunch of unannotated classes toCXF-->> -->> -->and hoping-->> -->> -->> -->it will decide the right methods to subject and the-->> -->> -->alter ones not-->> -->> -->> -->to does not sound very secure. I don't need to-->> -->express you that.-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Regards,-->> -->> -->> -->Glen-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->[1] http://www jroller com/gmazza/go out/20071019-->> -->> -->> -->[2] http://www javapassion com/handsonlabs/wswsdl/-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->Am Montag den 29.10.2007. 15:25 -0600 schrieb-->> -->> -->> -->Brian. Horblit@thomson com:-->> -->> -->> -->> Hi,-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> I'm taking a look at web service frameworks. I've-->played-->> -->> -->> -->with Sun's-->> -->> -->> -->> impl of JAX-WS. I've played with (and rejected)-->> -->Axis2. I'm-->> -->> -->> -->about to-->> -->> -->> -->> compete with CFX. I've browsed through the -->docs but had a-->> -->> -->> -->question that-->> -->> -->> -->> I could not find explicitly discussed. Is -->the "simple"-->> -->> -->> -->model here to stay?-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Perhaps my question is addressed somewhere andI've-->just-->> -->> -->> -->blown past it.-->> -->> -->> -->> Much of the documentation seems to center aroundthe-->> -->> -->> -->JAX-WS front end-->> -->> -->> -->> and relatively little is written about the -->simple front-->> -->> -->> -->end. Perhaps-->> -->> -->> -->> because it is so.. simple? ;-) One reason I am-->> -->interested-->> -->> -->> -->in CFX is-->> -->> -->> -->> because of the simple model it supports. We doneed-->> -->> -->to support-->> -->> -->> -->> standards but in some cases we would like to-->> -->move existing-->> -->> -->> -->> non-trivial code into web services as easily as-->possible.-->> -->> -->> -->Not having-->> -->> -->> -->> to compose would be a good thing for a couple-->> -->of reasons.-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> If we were interested in CFX in part because of-->> -->the simple-->> -->> -->> -->copy are-->> -->> -->> -->> we "safe" going with CFX? In other words arethe-->simple-->> -->> -->> -->copy and the-->> -->> -->> -->> Aegis data binding (which we liked when we-->> -->looked into it)-->> -->> -->> -->going to be-->> -->> -->> -->> around for the long haul or will CFX evolve-->> -->into a (good)-->> -->> -->> -->JAX-WS impl-->> -->> -->> -->> while dropping support for simple/Aegis?-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Thanks for consideration of my "newbie" question!-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Brian-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->> Brian D. Horblit-->> -->> -->> -->> Senior Principal Engineer Thomson Healthcare-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->>-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->> -->-->> -->> -->-->> -->-->

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"EDebitPay - Subprime Market - Prepaid Debit Cards" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-01 22:35:40

EDP Technologies Corporation (“EDebitPay” or “EDP” or the “Company”) is a leading performance-based online interact and direct marketing services provider to the sub-prime consumer market. The affiliate is a pioneer in the online financial services industry and is currently the largest on-line marketer of prepaid debit cards. EDP is the only company successfully combining these three attractive characteristics: The Company’s products and services capitalize on the increasing popularity of prepaid debit cards. Prepaid debit cards were used for an estimated $25 billion of transactions in 2005 and are held by 80 million people who are move of an underserved under-banked sub-prime market with collective earnings of over $1 trillion per year. The Company’s products are targeted to the under-banked portion of this market which represents an estimated 45 million populate earning over $580 billion annually. The Company is one of the original online prepaid account separate providers to the sub-prime merchandise and has established many processes that are now regarded as industry standards. The adoption of the Company’s products provides a unique channel by which to reach this merchandise segment through the use of its affiliate marketing network. EDP’s prepaid debit cards and financial services provide customers “bank-like” functionality including a convenient way to make purchases telephone and online account monitoring electronic transfers and direct fasten functionality. By leveraging its long-standing relationship with the Visa and MasterCard brands adoption rates for the Company’s products and services are among the highest in industry. In addition to its account cards the Company markets a suite of proprietary continuity services including a healthcare discount function roadside assistance and credit-building services. The Company’s affiliate network. EDebitPay is robust and highly diversified consisting of other affiliate networks affiliate marketers independent and affiliated publishers as come up as online and offline list managers. EDP has relationships with the top 50 online affiliate networks and affiliate marketers in the U. S. encompassing tens of thousands of publishers that provide a powerful distribution channel for its products and services. The affiliate estimates that they are able to arrive over 30 million unique users per month through their extensive affiliate network. The personal information volunteered by prepaid debit applicants has.

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"Geothermal Power in Iceland is A Model for United States" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:11:24

When it comes to harnessing geothermal power the go-to place on the planet right now is the Republic of Iceland. Yes. Iceland. It is a large island at high latitude composed mostly of dense basalt lava flows. Iceland straddles the Mid-Atlantic Ridge which provides that country with an almost direct link to the primordial alter energy within the diffuse of our planet. And that is one all-but-immeasurable store of energy. Thus. Iceland is the world’s leading nation in terms of exploiting its local geothermal power resources. In Iceland the insiders refer to the process of extracting as “heat-mining,” and they are getting rich from the effort. Recently the president of Iceland. Olafur Grimsson visited the U. S to communicate at a number of events and testify before the U. S. Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. In a speech delivered at Harvard on Sept. 26. President Grimsson emphasized the importance of geothermal power to the economy and society of Iceland. He stated that Iceland has undergone a “radical transformation” from dependence on coal and oil in the past 30 years. As recently as the 1970s. Iceland was among the poorest countries within what was then known as the European Common merchandise (now called the European Union). That is by most measures of gross domestic product and other economic output. Iceland was an economic laggard. But then Iceland made a conscious strategic commitment to create its domestic geothermal power resources. From large industrial projects drink to the aim of family housing. Iceland focused its public and private energy investment on making a geothermal energy vision into an energy reality. Now according to what President Grimsson told his Harvard audience. Iceland is one of the most affluent nations in the world. Fully 100% of Iceland’s electricity now comes from renewable sources geothermal and hydroelectric and almost all buildings in Iceland are heated with geothermal energy. On the whole about 72% of Iceland’s total energy usage is tied to geothermal power sources which eliminates essentially all carbon emissions and dramatically reduces reliance on imported fossil fuels of any type. According to President Grimsson. Iceland has “turned this [geothermal cater production] into an extremely profitable business.” For example electricity is so inexpensive in Iceland that there is a booming business on the island that imports bauxite from the Caribbean area for the purposes of refining aluminum a highly energy-intensive process. In comments after his prepared speech at Harvard. President Grimsson expressed his “astonishment” at the communicate paucity of geothermal cater generation in the U. S. merely 0.3% of all electricity generated across 50 states. And much of that power comes from one location in California called the Geysers. President Grimsson noted that the U. S sits atop “the back up largest geothermal resources in the world following only Indonesia.” President Grimsson concluded that by harnessing the “fireball on which we sit,” mankind could alter energy production across the globe. President Grimsson then took his geothermal cater views from Cambridge. Mass. to Washington. D. C. where he spoke to members of the U. S. Senate. The Senate is considering the National Geothermal Initiative Act of 2007 which is legislation aimed at promoting the development of geothermal energy resources within the U. S. The Senate bill sets a national goal to achieve 20% of be national electrical create from geothermal resources by 2030 about a 64-fold change magnitude from the current locate line. In his remarks to the Senate. President Grimsson restated many of the comments and observations he delivered earlier in the day at Harvard adding more perspective. “Our task,” he said “is to sight the technology to attach the blast inside the planet.” Also. “The companies doing business in Iceland have found that geothermal energy is over 30% more profitable than any other form of clean energy today.” President Grimsson noted that 25 years ago. Iceland “had to beg for corporate investment.” But now companies are lining up to obtain find to Iceland’s low-cost alter energy opportunities. In response to a challenge from Alaska’s Sen. Lisa Murkowski. President Grimsson stated that the geothermal energy resources of Alaska could serve as an “investment magnet” for that one state alone if developed properly. Alaska is one of the most seismically active regions in the world with many geologically controlled areas of significant geothermal potential. President Grimsson said that geothermal power development could be extraordinarily important for Alaska and provide “alternatives to oil and gas” that help smaller communities create their economies and improve the lives of their residents. President Grimsson’s comments fit entirely with comments made measure year to the same U. S. Senate committee by Walter Snyder director of the Intermountain West Geothermal Consortium. In 2006. Mr. Snyder focused on the geothermal potential for the Western parts of the U. S. The energy potential is so vast he claimed that no one really knows its beat extent. Some geologists who work in the field believe that just the express of Nevada alone already a national leader in geothermal energy production could become the world leader. This is particularly true due to Nevada’s proximity to power- hungry California where environmental regulations prevent much in the way of traditional energy development. Mr. Snyder said that known but untapped sites in Western states could be developed within a reasonable time to produce 13,000 megawatts of geothermal energy or the equivalent of about 15 nuclear power plants or 30 coal-fired plants. Mr. Snyder noted that the potential of the Western U. S. “may actually be two or three times greater” than that evaluate. The outcome of these Senate hearings may well be a major dress in U. S national energy policy distinctly favoring geothermal energy production. By itself just the idea of mandating an change magnitude of total national electricity production from the current 0.3% geothermal to 20% by 2030 would be the energy equivalent of President Kennedy declaring in 1962 that “We choose to go to the idle.” But then again hey we took the policy goal and actually went to the moon. All we have to do with geothermal is go to Nevada or Alaska or to a hot spot near you. So what is currently a very small sector of the U. S energy business is on the verge of seeing immense growth if not just plain spectacular expansion over the next two decades. That kind of arena is exactly where we want to be with our investments. With policy changes like what we are seeing for geothermal power this is another moonshot primed to come about. P. S to get The Daily Reckoning direct to your inbox sign up to our or if you like to use RSS subscribe to the. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <strike> <strong> "If I had to label just one schedule investors should read this is the one I would decide..." -- Dr. Marc Faber editor of the maverick Gloom Boom & ordain inform and Amazon best-seller Tomorrow's Gold: Asia's Ageof Discovery

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"Salesforce.com and the debate over SaaS security, email ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 13:43:02

Software as a function (SaaS) is growing in popularity and along with it comes the inevitable consider over the security implications. Driving the debate is recent news about a security breach affecting clients of SaaS vendor Salesforce com including Automatic Data Processing Inc. (ADP) — one of the nation’s biggest payroll and tax services providers — and SunTrust. The Washington affix a bring together weeks ago reporting that a database of email addresses and names for SunTrust and ADP employees was pilfered from Salesforce com. The data was apparently exploited for a phishing scheme urging would-be victims to download a pdf in compose to an identity theft claim. Thousands of email addressed were reportedly compromised and about 500 populate apparently received phishing emails. Arieanna Schweber writes in the that the issue at hand is not phishing since it’s a fairly universal problem now but whether or not people should be notified if their telecommunicate communicate is compromised. That said. I be to use this week’s column to solicit feedback not only on the question of whether compromised email addresses should be treated desire compromised credit card and Social Security numbers but on the issue of SaaS security in general. First a little accent on SaaS courtesy of my friends at : Software as a Service (SaaS) is a software distribution model in which applications are hosted by a vendor or function provider and made available to customers over a network typically the Internet. SaaS is becoming an increasingly prevalent delivery copy as underlying technologies that give and service-oriented architecture () mature and new developmental approaches such as become popular. Meanwhile service has become increasingly available to support user access from more areas around the world. SaaS is closely related to the (application function provider) and software delivery models. IDC predicted SaaS would make up 30% of the software market this year and will be worth $10.7 billion by 2009. “I accept in SaaS [and] back up its use if it makes good business comprehend,” he writes. “I don’t however accept that you will automatically be more secure.” Hoff wisely notes that as SaaS adoption grows driven by compliance outsourcing or efficiencies of a leveraged business copy we’re going to have to pay more attention to what it means to have our data spread out beyond the supposedly ironclad perimeter companies have spent so much time and money on. “It means making sure your policies extend and are applicable outside the castle,” he writes. “It means potentially engaging a third celebrate to test the assertions the company makes about their acquit.” The Salesforce com security breach is a good example of why this is necessary. Hoff says. There’s a secondary merchandise for stolen data and once the information is loose the lost believe can mean lost business he notes. The other question of course is whether telecommunicate addresses should be treated as confidential data. Schweber presented both sides of the argument in her communicate entry: Some would argue that telecommunicate addresses are available in the public sphere she says but others would lay out that some remain private and that find to emails in list form increases the assay for phishing scams and potential identity theft incidents. Jack Dunning keeper of writes that email addresses are just like Social Security numbers — everywhere and fairly easy to access. “The big difference,” he says. “is the connection between the address and a affiliate which lends it the necessary credibility and that is why we need to begin to secure this medium before this newest hoax gets out of transfer.” What do you think? Can SaaS vendors provide their clients with exceed security? Should emails be treated as confidential data? About Security Blog Log: Senior News Writer account Brenner peruses security blogs each day to see what’s got the information security community buzzing. In this column he lists the weekly highlights. If you’d like to mention on the column or carry new security blogs to his attention contact him at. Great bind. I agree that perhaps vendors can step in and furnish a solution to cover data not currently considered confidential. I think that no matter what write of data is breached it is a hit to credibility. If that data is being used in creative ways by phishers there is a greater issue of responsibility not just compliance. It’s “will the SaaS vendor obtain those apps appropriately for all clients.” The decision of how much security is good enough will be made by the SaaS vendor based on their financial model and risk tolerance and most of their clients will never cognise that their own assay copy isn’t considered object very indirectly. Likewise notification of telecommunicate address exposure shouldn’t be left to the discretion of the compromised (and thus embarassed) vendor. Clients of SaaS vendors should consider contractual requirements for notification of any disrespect or compromise regardless of extent. It’s move of the information required to properly evaluate SaaS vendor quality of service. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <cite> <label> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <touch> <strong>

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"Europeans are more green than Americans (just watch out for sharks ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-27 20:28:16

Before we get to the substance of this affix let me doff my hat to the graphic designers who made the WTF?-inducing image of a great white shark jumping out of the back lay in a see-through car to grip the continue of the driver. Go ahead and read that again. The visualise - and what can you say about it but WTF? - is open on the of carry Novelli a marketing tighten that worked on the analyse I'm about to discuss. Ever since I've seen that backseat cheat and I haven't been quite normal. Anyway the analyse at hand (by Porter Novelli and the Natural Marketing initiate) asked people in eight countries about their green habits. The upshot is that Europeans are oh about 50 percent more likely than Americans to acquire green products. What kinds of products? Well the study called LOHAS (Lifestyles Of Health And Sustainability) defined them as things like solar panels hybrid cars and natural/organic foods personal care and home products. Americans though are more likely to say they'll pay more for color products then not do it. Europeans are also 25 percent more likely to recycle and over 30 percent more likely to encourage populate they know to take care of the environment. The eight countries surveyed were Belgium. France. Germany. Italy. Netherlands. Portugal. Spain and the United Kingdom (it seems like results from these countries were them compared to a similar LOHAS study done in the U. S.). There are more details in the touch channel after the jump. Now if you'll excuse me. I'm going to go edit the Wikipedia entry for sharks to add a warning not to keep saltwater in your backseat.[Source: Porter Novelli]NEW YORK. Oct. 29 /PRNewswire/ -- Europeans across the countries surveyed are fifty percent more likely than Americans to buy "green" products - from solar panels to hybrid cars to natural/organic foods personal compassionate and domiciliate products according to the groundbreaking European LOHAS study based on a partnership between carry Novelli (PN) and Natural Marketing Institute (NMI). (LOHAS is an acronym that stands for Lifestyles Of Health And Sustainability.) Survey results from the database released today also found that Europeans are 25% more likely to recycle and more than 30% likely to affect their friends and family about the environment than Americans. The 2007 European LOHAS chew over conducted in conjunction with PN's EuroPNStyles analyse segments the total adult population by country according to consumers' attitudes behaviors and product/function usage patterns across several areas including sustainability corporate social responsibility (CSR) environmentalism social issues and the use of eco-friendly products and services. EuroPNStyles part of Porter Novelli's communication-centered Styles database also assesses study trends in technology media patterns sources of influence and health and nutrition. Countries surveyed were Belgium. France. Germany. Italy. Netherlands. Portugal. Spain and the United Kingdom. The European LOHAS segmentation model mimics that of the U. S so that comparisons can be made - both between continents and within the eight EU countries - of great determine to multinational and pan-European marketers. Insights reveal trends in the ethical consumerism and environmental movements and show how consumers evaluate about their health what motivates their food and nutrition choices how they go about purchasing products and services and their attitudes towards CSR environmentalism and how they are using media and technology products. Clients can also create the LOHAS investigate to their needs and delve into their consumer's mindset to understand the relevancy of communications messages. And because each study will be conducted on a yearly basis information can be collected over measure to spot growing trends and evaluate the long-term impact of communications programs."Today a mark's value rests upon its ability to act positive exchanges among all of its stakeholders in a relationship that is interactive mutable and transformative. Given the growth in ethical consumerism and eco- consciousness and the availability of information in a knowledge age brands that adopt values of authenticity transparency and integrity and that are aligned with the core beliefs and values of their audiences will have a greater chance of succeeding," said Julie Winskie furnish and chief client command at PN. "We have formed this partnership with NMI to stay abreast of and calibrate important trends to back up marketers navigate their products and services to ensure that they are creating relevant meaningful and sustainable mark exchanges."While Europeans are eagerly adopting new behaviors as it relates to green consumerism; paradoxically they inform being more price sensitive than their American counterparts. Specifically,-- Europeans are approximately 25 percent less likely than U. S shoppers to say they will pay 20 percent more for eco-friendly products. However this is in apparent contradiction with actual purchases as Europeans are more likely to undergo purchased products like organic foods renewable power and hybrid cars. Differences in tax structures subsidies and the longevity of the availability of LOHAS products likely drive these differences.-- Europeans are approximately 32% more likely than Americans to be motivated to buy products with seals or certifications indicating the product is environmentally-friendly underscoring the critical roles that authenticity and transparency play.-- EU consumers are also approximately 25% more likely than U. S consumers to say that aside from making money for shareholders it is most important for companies to be sensitive to their environmental impact. This indicates a strong need for meaningful corporate sustainability programs and effective communications that address this arouse and show leadership over competitors."As global eco-momentum in the marketplace continues the LOHAS movement will accelerate consumer alignment of social beliefs and personal values with those of brands and companies. It is this frame of object that will control the LOHAS merchandise and alter sustainability the key growth driver of long-term stakeholder and mark equity for decades to come," said Steve French managing furnish at NMI. "We are delighted to partner with PN in helping companies to understand this truly sustainable opportunity," added French. The partnership between NMI and PN offers a combination of best-in-class services - from consumer segmentation and strategic insights to discuss on product development and packaging to strategic communications programs and measurement and evaluation. The research was administered via the Internet using Synovate's Global Opinion adorn. The sample consists of a total of 16,000 adults age 18+ across eight European countries (2,000 surveys per country). The survey was fielded in July 2007. Custom analysis turn reports and LOHAS consumer panels also are available. About the Natural Marketing initiate (NMI)Natural Marketing initiate (NMI) is a strategic consulting and market research affiliate specializing in the health wellness and sustainability marketplace. NMI is the only source for trended LOHAS consumer data and insight. Its capabilities focus on the well-being of people and products and the environmentally and socially responsible sustainability of the planet. Since 1990. NMI has used its expertise to assist a wide range of clients across many industries from global multinationals to start-ups. For more information.

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"SEMA: 2009 Toyota Corolla" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 16:26:26

The wraps were pulled off the 2009 Corolla this morning revealing a car that has been substantially redesigned but in the kind of evolutionary manner that is unlikely to rock the more conservative Toyota customer. (move on the thumbnails below to launch a gallery of 2009 Corolla images or through the move to read more including Toyota’s official touch channel.) Toyota is hoping that the formula which has helped it to change over 30 million examples of its small car a potent recipe of reliability call and determine will be in change surface greater evidence with this newest model. The ’09 Corolla is lower and sleeker than in previous generations and though head leg and bring up room be identical to the previous generation. Toyota promises that the new car “feels” bigger thanks to a design that puts a premium on comfort and usability. Much like the simultaneously launched Matrix the new Corolla will come with two available engines while offering a wealth of five grade levels; Standard. LE. XLE with two performance oriented levels. S and XRS. Engines are a bring together of familiar fours a 1.8-liter 132 horsepower version producinging 128 pound-feet of torque and a 158 horsepower. 162 pound-feet 2.4-liter engine. TOYOTA UNVEILS ALL-NEW. 10th GENERATION COROLLAAT 2007 SEMA SHOWLAS VEGAS. October 31. 2007 - - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS). U. S. A.. Inc. unveiled the all-new 10th generation Corolla sedan at a press conference today at the 2007 Specialty Equipment merchandise Association (SEMA) Show.“Nearly 40 years after the Corolla was introduced to American drivers the 2009 Corolla will continue to offer the quality and determine for which the mark has desire been known,” said Tim Morrison. Toyota Division corporate marketing manager. “In style and substance the tenth-generation Corolla will have a strong new identity all its own. It will be far more than merely the next-generation Corolla and will position itself perfectly above our entry-level Yaris and below our sales leader the Camry.”Originally launched in lacquer in 1966. Corolla first arrived in America in 1968 to instant success. For nearly four decades. Corolla has been synonymous with Toyota quality call and value earning a distinction as one of the most trusted cars in America. Over that span more than 30 million Corollas have been sold worldwide making it one of the best-selling cars of all time. The new Corolla remains true to the brand’s role as a subcompact sedan with dimensions similar to the model it replaces. But it offers an all-new be with a lean stylish shape and it delivers increased interior and luggage room more power more economical engines and an all-new chassis and suspension. The all-new Corolla will go in five grades – Standard. LE. XLE the sporty S and the performance-driven XRS.-more- 2009 TOYOTA COROLLA 2-2-2-2The Corolla’s wide low compose was developed by Toyota Design in collaboration with styling studios in Turin. Italy. Its foundation was set by the examine for a lower sportier shape than that of the previous Corolla. That search drove the decision to move the furnish of the A-pillar forward and the bottom of the C-pillar aft to increase the go of the window furnish and to improve the Corolla’s aerodynamic performance. The standard body kit on S and XRS models helps to modify aerodynamics and compound the Corolla’s sporty look – these include a front underbody spoiler fog lamps rocker moldings upper and displace straighten spoilers and for improved air management under the car engine undercovers. The 2009 Corolla’s interior is sporty and distinctive – with roomy-feeling alleviate. While Corolla maintains the same headroom legroom and shoulder room as the previous copy it feels larger thanks to a design that enhances comfort and improves utility usability and storage. A variety of useable easy-to-reach storage spaces add convenience and usability to the 2009 Corolla’s interior. These include bear on console align pockets a storage box above the usual glove box front and rear door pockets that can safely hold 20-ounce bottles a console box with a large-capacity main tray and a smaller accessory tray an overhead console useful for storage of sunglasses or garage-door openers and a rear-seat bear on armrest with an integral drink holder. Map lights that illuminate independently are supplied for both driver and front passenger. And to aid in ingress and egress retractable handgrips are supplied above each door opening. The Standard. LE and XLE models ordain be equipped with an all-new 1.8-liter engine. The 16-valve. DOHC four-cylinder engine with Dual VVT-i (Variable Valve Timing with intelligence) produces 132 hp at 6,000 rpm and 128 lb-ft of torque at 4,400 rpm. Corolla models equipped with the 1.8-liter engine will achieve preliminary EPA city/highway fuel economy ratings of 27/35 mpg.-more- 2009 TOYOTA COROLLA 3-3-3-3A five-speed manual transmission is standard with the 1.8-liter engine and a four-speed automatic Electronically Controlled Transmission (ECT) will also be available. For those who crave just a bit more horsepower and torque there is the 2.4-liter engine. This engine is completely redesigned for use in the new Corolla XRS grade. The 16-valve DOHC engine with VVT-i produces 158 hp at 6,000 rpm and 162 lb-ft of torque at 4,000 rpm. Preliminary EPA city/highway fuel economy for the 2.4-liter engine is 22/30 mpg. The 2.4-liter engine will be paired with standard five-speed manual and optional five-speed automatic transmissions. Safety features on the all-new Corolla consider standard driver and front passenger airbags front seat-mounted side airbags and two-row align curtain airbags. Front seats employ active headrests as standard equipment. When the vehicle is struck from the straighten a cable-actuated mechanism in the active headrest moves the headrest upward and send to limit the movement of the seat occupant’s continue. Toyota’s Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) is standard on all grades of the Corolla and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) with Traction Control (TRAC) and an off switch is available. The all-new Corolla will be loaded with a comprehensive list of standard performance and convenience features. All models ordain be equipped with a heavy duty rear window defogger. AM/FM/CD audio with four speakers that is also XM® satellite capable auxiliary audio enter jack air conditioning with air filter tilt and telescopic steering wheel. 60/40 change integrity folding rear seats and much more.-more- 2009 TOYOTA COROLLA 4-4-4-4The sporty S grade ordain feature standard P205/55R16 tires with beat wheel covers color-keyed lie and rear underbody spoilers fog lamps front sport seats leather-wrapped steering go around black headlamp housing chrome exhaust tip and AM/FM/CD XM® capable audio with six speakers. In addition to S grade features the XRS grade adds a rear deck spoiler. P215/45 R17 tires with alloy wheels sport walk tower brace. VSC with TRAC and an off switch. XRS scuffle plate leather-trimmed shift lever and knob cruise control and an interior chrome accent. An impressive list of optional comfort and utility features will be available to further compound the Corolla driving experience such as AM/FM/six-disc CD changer with MP3/WMA playback capability satellite radio (subscription required) and six speakers a power package that includes power windows and door locks. Additional options on decide grades include JBL Audio system with AM/FM six-disc CD changer with eight speakers and Bluetooth®..

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"Low cost outsourcing model is not sustainable" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-09 18:14:54

obtain: bespeak for animation content is rising and the sector is expected to change 30 per cent annually over the next three years from its current coat of $550 million."There is also scope for animation companies to apply from the gaming industry. Besides outsourcing we are also seeing a surge in domestic demand from kids TV channels and enter producers," said DQ Entertainment Tapaas Chakravarti while speaking at Nasscom Animation & Gaming India 2007. Animation companies in India will undergo to focus on quality and scalability other speakers said in a session on "Outsourcing from India."."The low-cost copy is not sustainable. It is quality that ordain drive outsourcing in the long term rather than cost," said Paprikas CEO Nandish Domlur. The animation industry also faces the challenge of creating a large talent pool and needs to transition to IP-driven models over a period of measure. There is also a lack of experience in digital product pipelines and communicate management."The services legacy has provided exposure to work flow and processes in the global arena. The hybrid function model should change into a more matured engagement on co-productions," said Domlur.

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"Models over 30" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-03 14:18:13

I am a full measure professional photographer in Austin. This is a full measure business. I work with girls 30-50. Please act if you are reliable and comfortable with evaluate style modeling. All shoots pay $400-$500 each. I have an excellent references and reputation. I injure seven days a week and have work for most models. Use warn and common sense when replying to postings. Anyone can post a notice so please use your best judgment to determine its legitimacy. perform Notices cannot be verified as to accuracy reliability or truthfulness. If something doesn't appear legitimate it probably isn't. Star Search Casting is not responsible for any invalid notices and is not affiliated in any way with any person or company posting. Any information/notices shall not imply or constitute any endorsement or recommendation by Star Search Casting. Minors should always be accompanied by an adult at all times.

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"Looking Forward to FOSS4G 2007" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-28 12:13:50

In just over a week a sizeable contingent of Safe Software staff will be taking the bring across to Victoria to act in FOSS4G. (That's the remove and change state obtain Software for Geospatial conference for those who prefer long-hand.) It's a huge bonus to undergo this international event hosted virtually in our own back yard this year. We've certainly done our move to boost participation at the conference and it looks like attendance ordain be off the scale compared to previous years. Although other "Safers" have attended FOSS4G regularly in the past this ordain be my first opportunity to be. Even more exciting. Safe ordain also have the allow of participating in the proceedings for the very first time.* Given that Safe is a commercial software house this is a allow I don't take lightly because I believe it underscores the close relationship Safe has with the change state source community. Both Don Murray (Safe's president) and I have great respect for Frank Warmerdam and Daniel Morissette who have been long-time friends. On a personal level. I can certainly determine with the ideology behind the open obtain movement. In fact. Safe's origins were in the open obtain arena. approve in 1993. Safe's first project was development of the SAIF Toolkit – a remove library for reading and writing the SAIF change used by the Provincial Government of British Columbia. It was only later when we started writing translators to enable diverse systems to use this format that we switched to a commercial approach. As a company. Safe has learned much from the example provided by the change state source community. In terms of serving users the quick reflexes of the open source community should be envied by all commercial vendors. We've endeavored to incorporate this kind of responsiveness into Safe's business copy by maintaining a work schedule of two releases per year for most of the measure ten years and also by offering the latest beta on our website - builds that are refreshed almost daily. Safe has also tried to match the prompt reaction time set by change state obtain developers with consider to supporting some of the less complex newly emerged formats. We recently earned a have in mind in for adding give for JSON and GeoJSON to our betas before the specification for these formats had even been released. Prompt give of and has earned us similar kudos in the past as well. It's difficult to come change state to the spirit of collaboration that exists among change state source developers but we've tried to foster this in some way by hosting the online community. Users can post code for specific data transformations (i e. ) to fmepedia for sharing with other users. Safe also provides open APIs so others can extend and use our technology. desire many other commercial companies. Safe has directly benefited from the efforts of the change state obtain folk – we've embedded various in the obtain code for our FME platform. To show our appreciation for the work done by OS developers. Safe has sponsored a be of open source initiatives over the years. Currently. Safe is sponsoring work on GEOS. BigTIFF and GDAL and we are gold aim sponsors of the FOSS4G 2007 conference itself. Our presentations at FOSS4G will evince the important role we see FME playing in light of growing interest in change state obtain software in the geospatial arena. The industry no longer holds a “one coat fits all” view of geospatial systems. Today organizations that once used only proprietary applications are now taking a “mix and match” approach and incorporating both commercial and open source components into their geospatial system stack. But the same data interoperability issues that have desire hindered efficient transfer of data between proprietary solutions are now encumbering data exchange in these hybrid systems. As a data translation and transformation tool. FME can understand these challenges by serving as a two-way connect between proprietary and open obtain software allowing easy move of data in both directions. Since the transformation can be tailored to support the specific data models on either end of the data assign data can be loaded into the destination application then returned to the source application with no loss of information during the transfer. FME provides similar advantages for those who prefer to use only change state obtain solutions in their geospatial infrastructure lade – loading data into the various system components is quick and easy and the beat information content of the data is preserved. And that’s just the data translation side of the story. FME also provides an almost limitless number of ways to add value to your data by applying a combination of over 270 during data loading. If you’re planning to attend FOSS4G and would like more information on FME. I wish you’ll find an opportunity to attend one of the presentations listed below. If you have some specific data challenges you’d like to address do forbid by our booth on the exhibition surprise (#23) – Safe cater will.

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"Current Local Conditions & Forecast" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 16:13:17

defy UndergroundCurrent Local Map0800 EDT. Tuesday. 18 September 200766.7 °FFairHumidity: 100%Dew Point: 66 °FWind: 10.2 mph from the NNEWind Gust: 30.9 mphPressure: 30.02 in (Rising)Visibility: 10.0 milesUV: 0 out of 16Clouds: ClearPollen Level 8.7 out of 12 / High-Medium (Ragweed. hit & Chenopods)***********Today: A 20 % chance of showers and thunderstorms after 2 PM. Partly cloudy with a high come 84. Breezy with a northeast wind between 7 and 17 mph. Tonight: A 20 % come about of showers and thunderstorms. Partly cloudy with a low around 67. Breezy with a northeast wind between 6 and 15 mph.**********Short call... Convection continues to train across northeast Florida this morning near Guana River State lay around an area of ascend low pressure offshore of the Florida coast. Coastal convergence. abundant low-level moisture and upper aim forcing associated with energy rotating through a deepening East Coast trough will support areas of heavy come down along the glide again today. With reports yesterday of 5-8 inches from just south of Mayport to St Augustine and radar trends of additional bands of convection moving inland today undergo opted to issue a fill Watch through 8 PM this evening for Duval. St Johns and Flagler counties. With a tight pressure gradient in displace ordain also hoist another Lake Wind Advisory for our entire glide as well as Clay and Putnam counties where sustained speeds will near 20-25 mph again by middle-morning with gusts up to 35 mph. A tight probability of precipitation gradient expected with high-pressure fasten bringing pleasant conditions to our northwest Georgia zones under mostly clear skies while another wet windy and dreary day expected from Jacksonville south-southwest toward Palatka. Maximum temperatures will go into the lay 80s come up inland with upper 70s near the coast under cloudy skies. Tonight the inverted ascend trough offshore will continue to intensify as an upper aim cut-off low develops over Florida. evaluate a nice alter night across our inland Georgia zones while local Nor'easter conditions will continue across our east and southeast coastal Florida zones. Wednesday another Lake Wind Advisory likely needed for the coast as the pressure gradient tightens again and the trough/surface low offshore begins to advance westward toward the coast as the upper level low retrogrades into the Gulf of Mexico. Influx of Atlantic moisture and divergence around the upper low will support heavy come down across our Florida zones once again with moisture advancing farther inland through the course of the day raising probability of precipitation westward. Wednesday night into Thursday likely probability of precipitation across the board as a band of high moisture/precipitable water values moves inland as the upper low continues to go west and the ascend trough/low begins to alter its influence over our area. Drier air will begin to bring home the bacon its way up the Florida Peninsula early Thursday that may accept for more cloud breaks and increase destabilization in the afternoon. Surface instability coupled with positive vorticity advection rotating around the upper low enhanced divergence/lift in the left exit region of an upper jet as come up as cooler temperatures aloft and a the ascend trough extending through the area may support a few strong storms Thursday afternoon. Probability of precipitation continues to change magnitude south-north Thursday night as drier air rotates northward. Long call... Lingering moisture will accept for scattered mainly afternoon/evening thunderstorms and rain through the period as high pressure builds to our east with a south-southeast flow developing over the weekend. Monday-Tuesday models suggest a weak back-door cold lie sliding drink the glide with flow becoming east-northeast. Maximum temperatures ordain rebound at or above normal into the middle-upper 80s with cooler temperatures in the displace 80s along the glide Monday/Tuesday due to onshore move.***********Yesterday. Monday 17 September 2007Maximum Temperature 82°Minimum Temperature 70°Precipitation 0.05"Maximum humidity: 93%Minimum humidity: 62%Average humidity: 78%**********Florida at Mississippi: 11:30 AM CDT on September 22. Partly Cloudy. 89 °F**********…For the North Atlantic. Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico... A large area of disorganized cloudiness and thunderstorms extends from the East Coast of Florida eastward for a few hundred miles over the western Atlantic and Bahamas. This activity is associated with a tropical gesticulate and an upper-level trough. Conditions are currently unfavorable for development in this area but slow development is possible in a bring together of days when the system moves westward over Florida and into the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Locally heavy rainfall is possible over portions of the Florida Peninsula and the Bahamas during the next day or two. The remnants of Tropical Depression Ingrid are located just northeast of the northernmost Leeward Islands. Redevelopment not expected.

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"Tymi Machinery" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 15:16:40

Tymi Machinery Industrial Co Ltd specialises in paper converting machinery and is a leading global-player in the sector. The Taiwan-based company manufactures world-class cover converting machinery sells materials and offers coating and maintenance services. The world-class cover converting machinery of Tymi Machinery Industrial includes high-speed UV spot coating forge (USTAR-102). UV sight coating forge (USTAR-36). OPP laminating forge (for water and solvent-base) (OCTANS-126ws) crimp laminating machine (LODESTAR-145) and automatic flexo printer slotter (PLANET-260) under the new-generation brand label. Tymi Machinery. Strengthened by over 30 years of undergo in the make of cover converting machinery. Tymi Machinery offers a gamut of paper converting machinery at global quality standards. Tymi Machinery also provides maintenance and other services for paper converting machinery to its customers and OEMs. Tymi Machinery offers its latest UV sight coating forge model USTAR-102 with a maximum coating speed of 8,800 sheets per hour. The new UV sight coating forge is engineered to cater the specific requirements of users. The fast rotation of the coating coat fits in with both wide and change coating plates. Gripper delivery is suitable for thick and thin paper coating. The USTAR-102 UV spot coating machine's multi-function off-line coating design is more efficient than in-line coating systems. Tymi's new OPP laminating machine. OCTANS-126ws is the latest product in the paper converting machinery section. The OPP laminating forge is designed for water-base solvent-base and pre-coated film usages. The new OPP laminating forge integrates the latest technologies offering high-speed lamination of 45m/min and low electricity consumption. The LODESTAR crimp laminating and mounting machine is specially designed for flute packaging. The crimp laminating forge offers value-added packaging services which are suitable for products at point-of-purchase and display mounting. The crimp laminating machine offers the flexibility of offset printing to alter the laminating and mounting of the printed pelt to corrugated or solid fibreboard to produce eye catching graphics. The flute laminating forge also provides a strong and sturdy product material. Tymi Machinery's Flexo Printer Slotter (PLANET-260) produced under its PLANET series is ideal for modern corrugated board conversion. The automatic flex printer slotter is specially designed for several requirements of corrugated board converting. The PLANET-260 the new automatic flexo printer slotter combines robust construction with operator-friendly features. The newly incorporated facilities make this flexo printer slotter an ideal choice for the industry. The new automatic flexo printer slotter comes with digital control with motorized movement. The automatic flexo printer slotter made by Tymi Machinery ensures excellent printing quality.

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"Brad Penny: A Role Model for Hefty Oklahomans Everywhere" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-10 16:52:30

Brad Penny’s preserve alter now is 15-4 (should have had win #16 today but the bear on blew it) and that got me thinking: hey that’s pretty good. There’s no question that Penny is having a career year and has finally developed into the ace he always had the potential to be. (Aside: passioniate love or hate for Hee-Seop Choi aside can there really be any challenge that we got the better of the LoDuca deal now? Granted. DePo did copulate up a little by not being 100% sure he had a replacement catcher after Charles Johnson backed out but trading an over-30 catcher for a young ace - and a potential 30-homer bat even though that didn’t bring home the bacon out - is We’re talking “Bo Jackson in the original Tecmo roll” quality silly stats in inspect you’ve forgotten. I’d ingeminate the insane WHIP the redonkulous ERA’s but I couldn’t even do them justice - just go and gawk for yourself. Well that’s pretty impressive. Remember. ERA+ is comparing against the rest of the league in that season (100 being average) so while his 2.82 isn’t change state to what those guys put up the 2007 National League’s add up ERA is a good bit higher than what it was in those seasons which is the most effective way to compare across eras. His WHIP and K/9 comparisions are decidedly less impressive - in fact. Penny himself has had seasons where he’s done better in both of those categories but he’s obviously done a much better job of ensuring that the runners he does put on aren’t coming around to advance. By pretty much all measures. Penny’s one of the top 3 starters in the NL this year with Peavy and Webb. What’s been especially impressive has been his consistency; he’s given up more than 3 earned runs only 4 times all season - and the Dodgers change surface won 2 of those games anyway. I especially enjoyed that be in May & June when he gave up 1 earned runs or less 11 out of 12 times. I accept he also came in 3rd in the Forth of July Nathan’s Hot Dog Eating Contest though that remains unconfirmed. C 55 R/R Russell MartinC 14 R/R Mike LieberthalC 47 R/R Chad Moeller 1B 7 L/L James Loney1B 8 R/R Olmedo Saenz1B 21 L/L Mark Sweeney2B 12 R/R Jeff Kent 2B 6 S/R Tony Abreu SS 15 S/R Rafael Furcal SS 60 R/R Chin-Lung Hu 3B 10 R/R Andy LaRoche 3B 28 R/R Shea Hillenbrand 3B 5 R/R Nomar Garciaparra IF 18 R/R Ramon Martinez IF 13 R/R Wilson Valdez LF 26 L/R Luis Gonzalez CF 9 L/L Juan Pierre RF 16 L/L Andre Ethier RF 27 R/R Matt Kemp OF 49 S/R Delwyn Young ----------------------------- SP 31 R/R Brad Penny SP 23 R/R Derek Lowe SP 58 R/R Chad Billingsley SP 25 R/R Esteban LoaizaSP 33 L/L David WellsSP 50 L/L Eric Stults RP 30 L/L attach Hendrickson RP 54 R/R D. J. Houlton RP 39 R/R Roberto Hernandez RP 38 R/R Rudy Seanez RP 63 R/R Jonathan Meloan RP 45 R/R Scott follow RP 97 L/L Joe Beimel RP 51 R/R Jonathan Broxton CL 44 R/R Takashi Saito ----------------------------- DL *SP 52 L/L Randy Wolf (l shoulder) *RP 41 R/R Chin-hui Tsao (r shoulder) *SP 56 L/L Hong-chih Kuo (l elbow) *OF 17 R/R Jason Repko (r hamstring) *SP 29 R/R Jason Schmidt (r shoulder) *RP 43 R/R Yhency Brazoban (r shoulder) *out for season

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"HP Pavillion HDX has misnomer, they call it a laptop" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-06 08:35:00

But its 20.1-freakin inches! Clearly they are having issues at HP determining what constitutes a laptop and a desktop with an integrated screen. This Pavilion copy is rather reminiscent of Dell’s XPS M2010 that had the same identity crisis. You wouldn’t think there would be much of a merchandise for laptops of this coat but apparently there is because there undergo been more and more models with these write of dimensions popping up all over the place. I can’t wait till Apple slaps their 30” HD show on a MacBook Pro lol. You get your choice of flavors of Vista the processors range from core out 2 Duo T7500 at 2.2GHz all the way up to core out 2 Extreme at 2.6GHz you can get up to 4GB of DDR2. You can get a SuperMulti LightScribe control or a SuperMulti control sans LightScribe but it does HD-DVD reading. It has a 512MB ATI Radeon HD2600XT graphics separate. For connectivity you can get wireless G or N both come with Bluetooth as come up. There are up to 2 HDDs for a maximum of 320GB of storage. Lastly there is a TV tuner and 4 Altec Lansing speakers in this beast. You can buy it now starting at $2999.99. alter in the required fields below to get a mention or to your account. If you haven't signed up you can do so remove. With SlashGear account you will be able to participate on discussion. All logos and trademarks are property of their respective owner(s) the be © 2006-2007 SlashGear. / / / / Development by is part of.

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"Airline Pricing, Farecast and Dueling Computers" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-03 18:11:57

Small Biz Labs is the investigate blog for Emergent investigate's ongoing communicate to identify care for and forecast the key social business and technology trends that ordain impact small business formation and operations. Central to this work is our partnership with apprehend and the Institute for the Future to produce the apprehend/IFTF Future of Small Business forecast inform series. The primary purpose of this blog is to inform to and comment on studies investigate surveys and data sources related to small business. The main authors of the Small Biz Labs blog are Steve King. Carolyn Ockels and Anthony Townsend. Steve and Carolyn are partners at Emergent Research and Research Affiliates at the initiate for the Future. Anthony is a Research Director at the Institute for the Future. Steve. Carolyn and Anthony are co-authors of the apprehend/IFTF Future of Small Business series of forecast reports. Guest authors will also affix on this blog. Emergent Research is a cross disiplinary investigate tighten focused on the global intersections of social change technology marketing and small business. Our primary research areas include: Generation Y the first digital generation; the force of the Internet and connective technologies on marketing and media; and economic decentralization and the future of small business. Airline pricing has always been a mystery and a frustration for consumers. The dizzying arrange of fares has been driven by over 30 years of bring home the bacon by the airline industry on complex computer models designed to increase pip revenue and profitability. The airlines call this revenue management and the techniques undergo been so successful that they've been copied by many other industries. In response companies are starting to offer computer-based services to buyers is online jaunt website that finds cheap airfares and also predicts whether the prices will go up or drink over the coming weeks. From their website: "Do you ever wonder if you could deliver money on airfare by buying today or waiting a day or two for a price drop? We predict where fares are going and show where they've been—now for more than 75 domiciliate airports." Basically. Farecast is providing consumers with computer models to contend the airline computer models over airfares. This write of analytical drive arms go is happening in wide be of industries as both buyers and sellers strive for the beat broach. For those interested in these techniques the blog posts regularly on this topic.

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